August
2002. PETER POND SOCIETY NEWSLETTER,
Number 13
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It's time for another newsletter since pieces of
information have been piling up.
First of all, I might have mentioned a few times that a
big announcement is coming. But I'm still not ready to announce
since I'm waiting for something in writing first. I'll give
a hint saying that the grave search is not over yet. My
source says expect something by the end of October.
Now on to other things, mostly interesting emails received
since last we corresponded. Here they are, in chronological
order and not so much in descending order of significance.
You'll find some more interesting than others, but they're
all interesting.
- In early July I sent a non-newsletter on the fact that
the Lewis and Clark Bicentennial hype has started earlier
than I thought it would, based on a cover story in TIME
Magazine and President Bush announcing an official proclamation.
Both have been added as links in my website. Remember,
my premise is without PP, there'd be no L & C. Ric
Driediger, a PPS member and outfitter who enabled my trip
down the Clearwater in 1988, wrote back with an interesting
Canadian take on the L & C hype. Maybe some Americans
will agree too. Some of you might have seen this when
he first wrote, but I don't think all since I have split
PPS newsletter recipients into two parts for easier emailing.
Also he compliments the work, included in my bibliography,
by Derek Hayes, a PPS member.
Its interesting how much press
Lewis and Clark get. Their crossing of the continent
was impressive. However, Alexander McKenzie crossed
the continent somewhat sooner than Lewis and Clark
(using some of the maps made by Peter Pond). He did
it twice - once ending on the Arctic Ocean, and then
again ending on the Pacific in 1793. Lewis and Clark
used maps made by David Thompson of the Northwest
Company and Peter Fidler of the Hudson Bay Company.
Both these explorers and map makers had travelled
much of the terrain that Lewis and Clark explored
in order to make their historic crossing. In fact,
by the time Lewis and Clark crossed the continent,
fur traders from Montreal and Hudson Bay were already
travelling to the Pacific coast on the Columbia River
to trade the valuable Sea Otter Pelt. So, Lewis and
Clarks crossing of the Continent was not the first,
or even the second. It was the first south of the
49th and north of the Gulf of Mexico. They became
famous because they had a great promoter. They got
their book out sooner than McKenzie. And they were
American. Read the excellent book: First Crossing
by Derek Hayes. Published in 2001 by Douglas and McIntire,
2323 Quebec Street, Suite 201, Vancouver, BC. V5T
4S7.
Sincerely,
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Ric Driediger
Horizons Unlimited Churchill River Canoe Outfitters
Box 1110
LaRonge SK S0J 1L0
Telephone/Fax 1(306)635-4420
Toll-free: 1-877-511-2726
In Edmonton 471-1273
email: ric.crco@sk.sympatico.ca
web site: www.churchillrivercanoe.com
- Next came a note from Louise Ladd, my writers workshop
mentor who has also joined PPS, about a Library of Congress
map exhibition on the American west, based on the L&C
hype. This has also become a recent link on my site. Guess
who leads the list as an early influential mapmaker? Find
out at: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/lewisandclark/preview.html
- Another link (http://greatcanadianrivers.com/rivers/clearriver/history-home.html)
added to the site has to do with a fine documentary on
the Clearwater River. Part of it shows an actor portraying
Peter Pond floating down the river in a birchbark canoe,
the first white man to do so. I saw this in an excerpt
on the site. It's the first time I've seen anyone portray
PP. To inquire about contacting the distributor who will be more than happy to fulfill video requests, contact: Good Earth Ventures, 314 Roncesvalles Avenue,
Toronto, Ontario M6R 2M7, Attention: Nida Marji.
- Yale University finally wrote back with a site showing
an image of the PP map copied by Yale founder and first
president Ezra Stiles. It's recorded in Stiles diaries
that PP paid him two visits in March 1790, regaling the
president about his adventures in Canada, to which he
never returned. Stiles was impressed enough to copy a
PP map which was included in the Hayes book. Stiles also
mentioned PP gave him a pair of copper Indian knives obtained
undoubtedly from around the Coppermine River near Great
Slave Lake. It's still a mystery what happened to those,
though I'm still looking. But here's the rundown on the
map and how to find it on the net:
Dear Mr. McDonald,
I am writing in reply to your letter of 12/21/2001
with apologies for the delay.
We do have a large collection of Ezra Stiles papers,
including diaries and the copy of the Peter Pond map.
We have an image of this map in our Digital Library,
available from the following site: http://inky.library.yale.edu/blrschwk.htm
Under "Beinecke Digital Images", click on
"Photonegatives" and follow the search instructions.
Also available from our website are ordering instructions
to obtain reproductions.
Please let me know if you have further questions
and do forgive the tardy
response.
Sincerely,
Steve Jones
- Here is the first of two incidents where the PPS site
has helped answer some questions. First we'll start with
an inquiry that came through the Milford Historical Society
where PPS is a link:
Name:
Paul G. Staneski
Email: paul.staneski@ubsw.com
Where are you from: Milford, CT
Comments: My wife, Pam, and I (and children
Hope and Adam) moved to Milford 4 years ago. We purchased
a run-down mansion at 35 Point Lookout, built in 1890
by one Nicholas Pond and owned by the Pond family
for over 50 years. We have done much to renovate the
house. We are wondering if anyone knows anything about
the Pond family that occupied it (or the house itself).
We found an old portrait of an attractive woman (no
name or date, looks to be 1920s) behind a mantle and
wonder if it was an occupant.
April 2, 2002 20:04:39 (GMT Time)
I knew where to go find out. Pamela Pond Goss grew
up in that house with her brother, also named Peter
Pond. They moved out in the mid-1940's when the house
passed out of family hands. Peter died July 2000 and
was the subject of a lengthy obituary on his colorful
life, not unlike the earlier namesake, found in PPS7.
Paul Staneski gave me a copy of the photo, which I copied,
scanned and emailed to Pam. She confirmed it as her
Aunt Nancy and relayed it to Nancy's son, who also confirmed
in the following note, which has already been sent to
Paul Staneski:
JOSEPH N. GREENE, JR.
138 JOSHUATOWN ROAD
LYME, CONNECTICUT 06371
August 5, 2002
Dear Pam -
It is so nice to hear from you -and you can un-bate
your breath: The photo is a copy of one I have long
had and cherish of my mother, your Aunt Nancy. She
was named for her mother -our Granny -Nanine Woodward
Pond. Granny was Nanine Woodward Lawrence; both of
them dropped the Woodward when they married, so Mother
was Nanine Pond Greene and then Pervere. Granny was
Nanine L. Pond -NLP on so many mementoes. I recall
that Granny's friends always called her Nanine; Mother's
friends mostly called her Nancy, some said Nanine.
She happily answered to both.
Whence the name? Late in the 18th century , Giuseppe
Lorenzo, a seaman on a Venetian merchant ship, got
off in, I think, Charleston and made his way to New
London. There he put up at a boarding house run by
a Miss Brown, and in due course met her sister, Nancy
Woodward Brown, daughter of Jeremiah and Nancy Brown.
When they were to marry, Giuseppe cultivated the favor
of his future parents-in-law by translating his name
to Joseph Lawrence. As their children appeared, they
were named (more bows to in-laws on both sides) Joseph
Jeremiah, Sebastian, and Francis. The latter two never
married, but Joseph Jeremiah married Sarah Gillette
Pond. He left the whaling business his father had
started in New London, and moved to New York, where
he ran a shipping business, and captained several
of its vessels.
In 1869 he took his pregnant wife with him on a trip
to Europe (must have been a helluva trip for her),
and their daughter was born in Paris in May. Your
father (Uncle Larry!) assured me that the baby was
named Nanine as a French version of Nancy, and so
the naming-after-grandparents went on. Indeed, my
second daughter is named Nancy Woodward Greene -though
I must admit Edie and I looked no further back than
my Mother when we decided on that, having named our
fIrst daughter after Edie' smother .All this about
names I have only got into since retiring to Connecticut
19 years ago.
PHONE/FAX: (860) 434-2826
email :gverdi 1 @MINDSPRING.COM
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version.
- Finally another note how the site helped get some answers:
Subj:
The Peter Pond Society
Date: 8/14/2002 3:53:49 PM Eastern Daylight
Time
From: mctavish@zimbrick.com (McTavish, Cathy)
To: bmcdon1342@aol.com ('bmcdon1342@aol.com')
I found your website today,
and I am so very impressed. I have been working
on my family history, and only recently made the connection
to the McTavish
and MacGillivrey of the Northwest Company. Simon McTavish
and William
MacGillivrey are both great-Uncles of mine, I have
a friend in Montreal who
has been trying to get me a picture of Simon's gravesite
and it was throughyour website, that I learned where the monument was
(even though he is no
longer buried there). I have become so fascinated
with the Canadian Fur
trade and would very much like to join your society.
Can you please send me
information on how to do so?
thank you so very much!
Catherine McTavish
Cathy is the latest member. She is also looking for
a certain book. Can anyone help her?
Subj: RE:
The Peter Pond Society
Date: 8/20/2002 12:34:28 PM Eastern Daylight
Time
From: mctavish@zimbrick.com (McTavish, Cathy)
To: BMcdon1342@aol.com ('BMcdon1342@aol.com')
Yes, I am very lucky the state
Historical Society has their main library right down
the road! I love to "own" books though and
have been searching for one title in particular.
Documents Relating to the North West Company--[Hardcover]
Wallace, Williams...
This is supposed to have Simon McTavish's will in
it! So if you ever see this copy for sale please let
me know! We vacation every summer in Northern Wisconsin
and I had such great fun with my younger nieces and
nephews. I had them convinced that we were going to
sneak across the border into Canada, and claim back
Fort Williams in Thunder Bay for the McTavish family.
It was a hoot!
I am loving anything and everything on the early Canadian
Fur trade!
Thanks so much!
Cathy McTavish
That's enough for now, probably too much again. Until next
time, au revoir. Bill
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